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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just some thoughts, if I may. God love matt, he’s always at his best when he’s over his head. The more over his head he is, the more glorious it is when he pulls out a win…or at least lives to fight another day. Having said that, I read the book to watch him preserver, not get constantly spanked. The Hands modivation for doing things are always cast in a shadow. The ‘thing’ Matt is, the ‘thing’ Elektra is, is also played as extreamly mysterious. They fight against inner demons and letting go of control means some kind of soul coruption. I hate to say going to the dark side but…In any case I believe that’s why Izo is warning against working with Kingpin, that why the Hand wants Matt to lead them. It’s his potential to be corrupt, not that he is corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just some thoughts, if I may. God love matt, he’s always at his best when he’s over his head. The more over his head he is, the more glorious it is when he pulls out a win…or at least lives to fight another day. Having said that, I read the book to watch him preserver, not get constantly spanked. The Hands modivation for doing things are always cast in a shadow. The ‘thing’ Matt is, the ‘thing’ Elektra is, is also played as extreamly mysterious. They fight against inner demons and letting go of control means some kind of soul coruption. I hate to say going to the dark side but…In any case I believe that’s why Izo is warning against working with Kingpin, that why the Hand wants Matt to lead them. It’s his potential to be corrupt, not that he is corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, sorry guys. I&#039;m really not that way, but a surprising amount of people are. I think Brubaker is. I really love his work on the book and I look forward to snagging that Omnibus, too, but there never seemed to be a larger story. The individual arcs were great but the larger motivations (everyone&#039;s, not just the hands) were always vague and the connections between players tenuous. I didn&#039;t really notice it until after Matt slept with Dakota and then everything falling out from that. After a single panel of peace for Matt at the end of the Rucka collab, it was just a constant sh*tstorm of bad luck for Matt with no exit. Still, fantastic work, especially these last two arcs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, sorry guys. I&#39;m really not that way, but a surprising amount of people are. I think Brubaker is. I really love his work on the book and I look forward to snagging that Omnibus, too, but there never seemed to be a larger story. The individual arcs were great but the larger motivations (everyone&#39;s, not just the hands) were always vague and the connections between players tenuous. I didn&#39;t really notice it until after Matt slept with Dakota and then everything falling out from that. After a single panel of peace for Matt at the end of the Rucka collab, it was just a constant sh*tstorm of bad luck for Matt with no exit. Still, fantastic work, especially these last two arcs.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Kimel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Kimel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 15:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Christine: I don&#039;t want Matt to suffer.  I do find it compelling to see how he will overcome his suffering, but that&#039;s a genuine concern for the character, not a sadistic pleasure in his fictional pain.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Hand&#039;s motivations have almost always been something of a mystery, but I agree that their plays in this arc have been beyond strange.  It&#039;s true: an evil Matt Murdock would be a great leader of the Hand.  You know who else would?  Thor.  Or Iron Man.  Maybe they can get Captain America.  It just seems ridiculous that Matt would ever accept such an offer, even given his self-appointment as &quot;Kingpin&quot; of Hell&#039;s Kitchen and his present partnership with Wilson Fisk.  And the Hand must know that.  I think it would be a lot more reasonable to just go after the real Elektra, or even Wilson Fisk.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I always hate when the bad guys beat the living snot out of the good guys and then don&#039;t kill them because they have to hurry elsewhere.  Come on -- he&#039;s down for the count, just finish it.  If comic writers want the bad guys to temporarily win the battle, come up with some other way to do it.  In this arc, every good guy but Master Izo should be dead or under the Hand&#039;s mind-control by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m with Christine: I don&#39;t want Matt to suffer.  I do find it compelling to see how he will overcome his suffering, but that&#39;s a genuine concern for the character, not a sadistic pleasure in his fictional pain.</p>
<p>The Hand&#39;s motivations have almost always been something of a mystery, but I agree that their plays in this arc have been beyond strange.  It&#39;s true: an evil Matt Murdock would be a great leader of the Hand.  You know who else would?  Thor.  Or Iron Man.  Maybe they can get Captain America.  It just seems ridiculous that Matt would ever accept such an offer, even given his self-appointment as &quot;Kingpin&quot; of Hell&#39;s Kitchen and his present partnership with Wilson Fisk.  And the Hand must know that.  I think it would be a lot more reasonable to just go after the real Elektra, or even Wilson Fisk.</p>
<p>And I always hate when the bad guys beat the living snot out of the good guys and then don&#39;t kill them because they have to hurry elsewhere.  Come on &#8212; he&#39;s down for the count, just finish it.  If comic writers want the bad guys to temporarily win the battle, come up with some other way to do it.  In this arc, every good guy but Master Izo should be dead or under the Hand&#39;s mind-control by now.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I&#039;m sure Matt will take over the Hand, but it certainly doesn&#039;t answer the question of why and for what purpose. There&#039;s a big flaw in the set-up here that&#039;s not being addressed. What&#039;s even the Hand&#039;s purpose for doing anything at this point?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m sure Foggy won&#039;t die. If I were the least bit hesitant, I&#039;d be furious with Brubaker. Foggy is an awesome supporting character, and there have been enough gratuitous deaths in DD history to last us a good while. It&#039;s also obvious that the Black Tarantula and the White Tiger are starting to grow a conscience. I think they will break rank to save Foggy if no one else (like Izo or Iron Fist) shows up first.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I&#039;ve mentioned this before, but I don&#039;t read Daredevil because I like to see him suffer. I know lots of people do, and I respect that, but for me that&#039;s not the case at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#39;m sure Matt will take over the Hand, but it certainly doesn&#39;t answer the question of why and for what purpose. There&#39;s a big flaw in the set-up here that&#39;s not being addressed. What&#39;s even the Hand&#39;s purpose for doing anything at this point?</p>
<p>I&#39;m sure Foggy won&#39;t die. If I were the least bit hesitant, I&#39;d be furious with Brubaker. Foggy is an awesome supporting character, and there have been enough gratuitous deaths in DD history to last us a good while. It&#39;s also obvious that the Black Tarantula and the White Tiger are starting to grow a conscience. I think they will break rank to save Foggy if no one else (like Izo or Iron Fist) shows up first.</p>
<p>And I&#39;ve mentioned this before, but I don&#39;t read Daredevil because I like to see him suffer. I know lots of people do, and I respect that, but for me that&#39;s not the case at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally don&#039;t read DD for Shadenfreude intended at &quot;getting pleasure from seeing him suffer&quot; as an end to itself, I read DD because I like seeing him fight on and possibly prevail despite misfortunes happening to him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Recently Warren Simons has said in an interview, about what&#039;s going to happen to DD in the near future:&lt;br /&gt;&quot;Matt&#039;s been a bit preoccupied with his life disintegrating over the past few months, but he&#039;s going to be in for a very rude awakening coming August and September.[...] Oh, and Ed and Andy Diggle are very, very mean. They&#039;re not doing nice things in here&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This and other statements made by creators in the recent past make me wonder if they too buy the &quot;Daredevil readers like to see the titular character suffering&quot; cliché.&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m afraid they genuinely think so.&lt;br /&gt;Everyone agrees that the best Daredevil story ever told was Born Again by Frank Miller. Every DD fan loved it. &lt;br /&gt;And it wasn&#039;t a story about continuously piling crap over the character, it was a story about him rising from the ashes of complete defeat thanks to his force of will and managing to prevail at the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally don&#39;t read DD for Shadenfreude intended at &quot;getting pleasure from seeing him suffer&quot; as an end to itself, I read DD because I like seeing him fight on and possibly prevail despite misfortunes happening to him.</p>
<p>Recently Warren Simons has said in an interview, about what&#39;s going to happen to DD in the near future:<br />&quot;Matt&#39;s been a bit preoccupied with his life disintegrating over the past few months, but he&#39;s going to be in for a very rude awakening coming August and September.[...] Oh, and Ed and Andy Diggle are very, very mean. They&#39;re not doing nice things in here&quot;</p>
<p>This and other statements made by creators in the recent past make me wonder if they too buy the &quot;Daredevil readers like to see the titular character suffering&quot; cliché.<br />I&#39;m afraid they genuinely think so.<br />Everyone agrees that the best Daredevil story ever told was Born Again by Frank Miller. Every DD fan loved it. <br />And it wasn&#39;t a story about continuously piling crap over the character, it was a story about him rising from the ashes of complete defeat thanks to his force of will and managing to prevail at the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just re-read the Bendis and Brubaker runs last week before reading DD #119. As much as I liked Bru&#039;s run, it reads much better in big chunks. Foggy&#039;s actions make much more sense in the context of the whole series. Matt really puts a lot of crap on Foggy&#039;s shoulders and, despite some hesitation, Foggy is there for him. Still, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. I love how the Hand is cutting off Matt&#039;s connections, though I don&#039;t think Dakota is dying (thank God!) since I saw mention of a possible mini next year. It wouldn&#039;t surprise me if Foggy dies, though. Bru did it once before, maybe this time it will stick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As muddy as the Hand&#039;s motivations are, I think we&#039;re heading into the direction where Matt takes over. Criticisms aside, that would be the ultimate low for Matt. Shadenfreude... isn&#039;t that why we read Daredevil? Looking forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just re-read the Bendis and Brubaker runs last week before reading DD #119. As much as I liked Bru&#39;s run, it reads much better in big chunks. Foggy&#39;s actions make much more sense in the context of the whole series. Matt really puts a lot of crap on Foggy&#39;s shoulders and, despite some hesitation, Foggy is there for him. Still, it was only a matter of time before something like this happened. I love how the Hand is cutting off Matt&#39;s connections, though I don&#39;t think Dakota is dying (thank God!) since I saw mention of a possible mini next year. It wouldn&#39;t surprise me if Foggy dies, though. Bru did it once before, maybe this time it will stick.</p>
<p>As muddy as the Hand&#39;s motivations are, I think we&#39;re heading into the direction where Matt takes over. Criticisms aside, that would be the ultimate low for Matt. Shadenfreude&#8230; isn&#39;t that why we read Daredevil? Looking forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Francesco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francesco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice review, I too was underwhelmed for the exact reasons you listed, namely:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brubaker being good at handling most of the cast, but apparently not knowing what to do with Daredevil&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the Daredevil signal + meet police guy on the rooftop and the sensory deprivation tank thingy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;the motivations behind the various parties involved not exactly clear (and the fact that the plot itself is unnecessary convoluted)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Foggy&#039;s turnaround was understandable, but not well played. It happened too soon considering that he had stormed out of Matt&#039;s house without giving Matt a chance to explain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice review, I too was underwhelmed for the exact reasons you listed, namely:</p>
<p>Brubaker being good at handling most of the cast, but apparently not knowing what to do with Daredevil</p>
<p>the Daredevil signal + meet police guy on the rooftop and the sensory deprivation tank thingy.</p>
<p>the motivations behind the various parties involved not exactly clear (and the fact that the plot itself is unnecessary convoluted)</p>
<p>Foggy&#39;s turnaround was understandable, but not well played. It happened too soon considering that he had stormed out of Matt&#39;s house without giving Matt a chance to explain.</p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been following the run with interest. By and large have enjoyed it, and much like you would love to see a big Grandstand finish to the Brubaker run, but can see a giant damp squib on the horizon. Nice peice as always though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve been following the run with interest. By and large have enjoyed it, and much like you would love to see a big Grandstand finish to the Brubaker run, but can see a giant damp squib on the horizon. Nice peice as always though!</p>
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